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Author:	Serge Poirier [ Sun May 21, 2006 12:27 pm ]
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Ooooooh boy, you guys are in for a pic fest, i'll have to spread it all on two threads again! This how the back that was glued yesterday came out of my mold today Trimmed the back flush with the sides a view all around Now sanding the rim to accept the top with Shane's 25' radius sanding dish, it makes this task a lot of fun and great exercise! Thanks Shane! Gotta stop here, Dial up connections obliges. More pics in : Spoiling my people 2 Thread! Thanks for watching! Serge

Author:	CarltonM [ Sun May 21, 2006 2:40 pm ]
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Don't ya love it when a plan works?!! Say, are you planning on sending this guitar to Pete Townsend? Based on the number of side braces you've got in there, I don't think even he could crack it!

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Sun May 21, 2006 2:57 pm ]
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Han han, Carlton, it did crack at the shoulder, check it out on my other thread, thank God i had put them braces in the sides tho, the crack could have been worst! Serge

Author:	CarltonM [ Sun May 21, 2006 3:09 pm ]
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Yeah, Serge, bummer! I guess Murphy had to visit you at least one more time before you finished. I'm wondering--did you try to close the crack with the side braces installed? If so, that could be why it won't close cleanly. You'd have to remove the braces, glue and close the crack, then re-install the braces after it's dry. Ouch!

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Sun May 21, 2006 3:16 pm ]
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Big bummer then, i thought i could fix this up from the outside and went ahead and closed the box, i guess ill have to chisel it out through the soundhole unless you have a more brilliant idea which is what i'm used to from you! Serge

Author:	CarltonM [ Sun May 21, 2006 3:25 pm ]
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[QUOTE=Serge Poirier]unless you have a more brilliant idea which is what i'm used to from you! [/QUOTE] Oh, man! You're in bigger trouble than I thought! I'm at a loss for ideas on how to get those side braces off in a closed box. Hopefully, someone with some good repair experience can help you, because, as we've all learned, it's very easy to create a worse problem while trying to fix the first one.

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Sun May 21, 2006 3:32 pm ]
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Thanks anyway Carlton, hopefully, my bud Evan will come to the rescue! Serge

Author:	L. Presnall [ Tue May 23, 2006 12:26 am ]
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Goooooooooooo Serrrrrrrrggggeeee!

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Tue May 23, 2006 4:01 am ]
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Thanks Larry, hey where did you get this cool avatar?

Author:	charliewood [ Tue May 23, 2006 4:09 am ]
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Way to go Serge!! Cheers Charliewood

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Tue May 23, 2006 4:15 am ]
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Thanks Charlie!

Author:	L. Presnall [ Tue May 23, 2006 8:11 am ]
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Which one? Larry Boy or the one I had up for an hour today? Don didn't like it as well, and being a people pleaser and respecting Don's opinion immeasurably, I changed it back!

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Tue May 23, 2006 8:58 am ]
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Larry, changing suits that quickly, you must definitely be an actah!

Author:	TonyKarol [ Tue May 23, 2006 11:29 pm ]
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Here is what I would try to get the brace off - heat the area from the outside with a clothes iron, med setting - it will release the glue thru the side and wont harm anything else. I have used this to remove blocks that slipped alignment during glue up - works great, no burning at all - keep the iron movong around.

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Wed May 24, 2006 12:28 am ]
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Thanks Tony, the crack is closed from the inside, just a narrow groove can be seen on the outside, but i can't see the light through the crack so i'll just do some filling with Titebond with EIR dust or try a narrow cleat! Thanks my friend, i'm on the job but i'll keep you updated on how it goes! Serge

Author:	Anthony Z [ Wed May 24, 2006 12:52 am ]
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Serge wouldn't it be better to fill with CA and EIR dust? Finish adheres to CA but not well to Titebond from my experience.

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Wed May 24, 2006 3:26 am ]
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Anthony, from what Evan told me, it's better to use Titebond for its gap filling properties but as you say, CA would surely have been better for the finish adhesion, i just inserted a tiny cleat of EIR with Titebond and EIR dust, i'll go check this afternoon to see how it does, hopefully, i won't have to clean that gap for a third time Tony, I also keep the clothes iron idea in mind just in case, Thanks guys! Serge

Author:	Evan Gluck [ Wed May 24, 2006 3:54 am ]
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Keep us posted. Glad it is coming together(that was a pun), I like the hot iron idea, I have done similar things with a laquer burn in knife and a moist rag. I had not thought about the finish adhesion when I gave you advice, sorry if it causes a problem. As solely a repair guy I always work on finished stuff. A bit of shellac over the crack should help the adhesion though. BTW thicker viscocity CA has gap filling properties but it is harder to mix with wood dust. Let us know how it goes, now back to work for me 4 guitars since 10 am....

Author:	TonyKarol [ Wed May 24, 2006 6:18 am ]
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I would use CA and dust (do all the time in fact for such challenges) - it will dry harder, faster (hey isnt that by April Wine, or Avril Lavigne for you bilinquists !!!) The Titebond will most likely show up as a lighter more opaque looking streak IME, and the CA will be darker and pretty much look like a grain line. Any time I have had titebond smears not totally removed near binding, the finish shows it up REAL good, then you are back to scraping it off again anyway.

Author:	Anthony Z [ Wed May 24, 2006 6:30 am ]
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Serge -- I think Tony's note confirms why you should go with CA. If you have already used Titebond....once you have sanded the rib back to where you think you have removed all the Titebond linguering on the rib -- give the damaged area a light washcoat of shellac. You'll know within minutes whether there is any titebond that'll show under finish. (Better to find out sooner than later as Tony points out).

Author:	Serge Poirier [ Wed May 24, 2006 6:56 am ]
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Thanks again my big brothers! Anthony, i will do that when i get back to the shop, i'll sand the excess of Titebond and will put a wash coat of shellac and see what happens, if i'm not comfortable with what i see, i'll go along with CA and EIR dust. Serge

Author:	Alain Desforges [ Wed May 24, 2006 7:35 am ]
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Yep, the dust and CA works superbly. On my current build, I had just a hint of tearing at the cutaway... I sanded the side with a fine grit (320) to get some very fine saw-dust. A touch of CA and fine dust and I can't even find it anymore... Got to love that CA on special occasions like this... Saved my keister a few times on build no. 1 as well...

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